"We do consider overlays using elements of a second or multiple other EVE clients to be against the rules."

Could you please let me know if using the tool 'EVE Online previewer' (https://bitbucket.org/ulph/eve-o-preview-git) which CCP FoxFour contributed to constitutes violation of this rule?

Here is a screenshot of how I use it.

The tool uses live taskbar previews, a Windows feature that exists in 7 onwards, which allows you to preview the contents of a window by hovering your cursor over it in the taskbar. What you see on my left monitor are slightly bigger copies of the images generated by the operating system.

I see this as no different to moving a client to my second monitor and making it really small. It's essentially doing the exact same thing as the Windows taskbar but with larger previews. The overlay does not forward mouse actions to the previewed clients; clicking a preview only switches focus to that client.


That aside, consider your example of using an overlay to display an overview from another client on top of another. This isn't something I do, but is it really much different to running two clients with two monitors? I think you're in very weird territory, trying to limit the way we view clients.

This is far too wide to be considered an enforceable policy. Under this policy it's easy to argue that applications like siggy and tripwire are not allowed, because they give an advantage of being able to see a map of all systems while people that don't use it won't be able to. You're also basically saying "get a second monitor" if you want to be able to look at 2 clients at the same time. We're playing eve, a game where multi-boxing is allowed and encouraged, but unless you have 2 monitors you're only allowed to look at one at a time? I'm hoping you'll clarify "unfair advantage" and rethink the overlay decision. Needed to purchase a second monitor to look at more then 1 client at the same time is ridiculous.

After reading again it is pretty clear :



So ISboxer is effectively banned.

A last question, is your detection methodology takes account about pvp or not ? I do not do pvp anymore. I do industry and trade. What kind of "unfair advantages" could i have in this case ?

That is the silliest dev blog I've seen in a while:

2. You're trying to encourage the development of third-party applications to help with EVE gameplay. AND at the same time DISCOURAGE it.

Jesus you lot need to all get over yourselves.

ISBOXER costs money, and is a 3rd party application that they deem to be providing an advantage to players utilising it. They want to ensure a level playing field for ALL players of EVE, irrespective of Financial situation.
The fact that a utility can be purchased that provides an advantage to a muti-boxing player is an issue they want to address, in their game.

I personally don't use ISBOXER, and I have multiple accounts - sometimes running 2+ at a time. I tab between windows because it works fine and I can handle it.
They never intended for their game to be played 10 accounts at a time by some autistic sperglord "solopvping" with his 10 vexors. It's not fair on me, and many more players to have to contend with people paying for an advantage that isn't available without a monetary subscription to the software.

If this is a huge issue for you, and you're not happy, then get lost.


Just because this thread is full of people whining as incessantly as they are, doesn't mean this isn't the right call.

I read the blog, every word of it. It's not "EVERY" utility out there.
Personally I haven't used EVE-Preview, Pirate's Little Helper, Vision, ISBoxer and many more ever.

Activity is fine, thanks: https://zkillboard.com/character/781584111/

Got anything useful to say, or do you just want to sit there using hyperbole to try to discredit my point?

Maybe I play a different game to you - but I'm out there every day hunting people trying to earn my way as a honest, humble disciple of poitot.
There are systems upon systems in EVE where people grind out ISK in anoms, sigs and belts constantly. Typically running several characters at once, and using 3rd Party Tools to provide audible alerts when a hostile (me) comes along to gank/kill/fight whoever I can.
These are advantages I cannot compete with. I do not make isk in this way, if I want isk, I run incursions. I do market stuff, I kill people and re-sell whatever falls off their wreck. I don't have the motivation to join a nullsec block, shell out RL $$$$ for additional software solutions and print money all day without concern.
More than ISK - I can't kill them. It's risk-free to run several accounts in parallel without any concern because you can use these tools they're reviewing to gain this advantage, and to protect yourself from ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME.

EVE is meant to be hard. Embrace the challenge, friend.

If CCP wanted people to stop, they would remove those options from the Eve client/launcher.

Most 3rd-party programs don't actually break the EULA, its what people do with those programs that means the player has broken the EULA. So CCP are quite sensible in saying they don't care which program(/tool)s are being used, its what people are doing with them that concerns them.

If people are incapable of working out if they are breaking the EULA or not, then those people should stop using 3rd party programs whilst playing Eve.

The contradiction here is that they design the game one way
-multi account/multi client encouraged (-> one physical player IRL, multiple avatar simultaneously IG)
-borderless windows
and now they are roughly saying "dont use those features, it can create unfair advantages!"
And they seems to have not follow Operating Systems/computer evolution that now allow multiple clients display at the same time without additionnal software...

And they are also encouraging the community to use THEIR own API to create , not plugin to the game that everyone one can access -for example by an official IG listing of whats available) but 3rd party tools that sometimes you have to pay isk to have acces to, or be part of a certains corp .

Maybe CCP should clearly redesign the base concept of the game before redacting their EULA

There is no need for reasoning. CCP is not going to ban people for using the ingame graphical options. Remember CCP don't care what programs/tools you use its what you use them for, so using a 3rd-party program to mange the same options available in the ingame options is not an issue.

Go back a read what the devblog/EULA/ToS actually says.

i think what we are saying is that no one knows wtf is going on. its been nearly 24 hours and ccp hasn't made a single update.

Have you ever dealt with CCPs support?

This is Eve, dude. Have patience! They will respond eventually. Maybe. In a few weeks, or so.

Scenerio 1:
I have a desktop PC upstairs with i7 processor, 32GB RAM, triple 27" monitors; most of the isues are fine simply due to the fact I can run multiple EVE clients on each monitor, while still being able to have other tools visible such as Mumble, vIntel etc.

Scenerio 2:
I have family/kids and obviously want to spend time with the kids (not too arsed about the misses, just kind of stuck with her). Sometimes she needs a break from the kids, or needs to go and get a shower, cook my dinner or something; requiring me to keep an eye on the kids, throw a stick or something for them to chase now and again, etc.

I have an i7 gaming laptop, which has a 17" screen. Set up the laptop downstairs, running ISBoxer for window management which enables the ability to have EVE client full screen, with 3 small reduced size clients underneath it, no dx nothing windows or other dodgy ****); this being a valid alternative for visible scouts/cynos. ISBoxer also has some great functionality allowing you to reduce the FPS to say 10 for inactive windows.

- the ability to zoom in CCP's ****** small fonts.

This game nearly requires third party tools

I agree with Ravana; what is the point of making a statement like that? The "at this time" is a threat, like we should be worried about whatever we're doing. As if it's illegal, just not yet.

A statement like that just causes stress and frustration, it has no other purpose. Instead of phrasing things like threats, just state what's illegal now, and at the point in time when you decide to no longer allow teamspeak overlays, POST A BLOG THEN. Don't threaten us with a future thing that may not even happen.

Because, we're not shooting monuments in Jita and causing you to fire another 20% of your employees... FOR NOW.